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And actually, if I had my druthers, I'd spray everything with laquers. They are literally idiot-proof.
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And actually, if I had my druthers, I'd spray everything with laquers. They are literally idiot-proof.
It sucks when your druthers go missing. I lost mine about 10 years ago and I'm still not over it.
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It sucks when your druthers go missing. I lost mine about 10 years ago and I'm still not over it.
Yep, that's why I don't have mine either-----missing for about 10 years as well. I'm certain they're buried under a pile of garbage in my daughter's room, but she swears she hasn't seen them....
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Nope! It's a subtle thing and y'all missed it. Mine have been gone for 29 years. See, what happens is, your Wife takes any 'druthers' you have, yet still, somehow, keeps hers and actually adds yours TO hers. This gets done almost instantly when you get into a relationship. There are other things that y'all may have missed too because during the very early stages THEY take full advantage of YOU falling in love with them and you never saw these things happen. In some cases, even though a spouse is wired to take these little things from you, sometimes, we give them up willingly. It's really a shame and there IS no way around this. It won't do any good to even think about the things you lose either. There is absolutely no chance you will ever get them back.

Anyway, Dave, I use the alcohol thinner thing too and it does help. I generally have never let my airbrush sit long enough to get dried paint too bad, but I do occasionally take it completely apart and clean everything real good with Toluene and dry it with acetone. I don't care WHAT'S on it, those two will remove it. They are components in paint and won't hurt your airbrush, but they are strong and I've never left it in them. They are ALSO not very good for you, so if you ever need to use them, don't play around.

Like most everyone else who's posted here, I'm no expert either. Really, the only thing an expert COULD bring here would be some of the 'expert' tips and advice that us amatuers don't know about.

The best advice you can get with this has ALREADY been given. Test, test, test. Practice. It won't matter what folks tell you, you will end up with your own technique and tricks once you use these enough. That's a fact! Practice on an old shoe. Practice on a stick from the yard. Practice on a sheet of cardbord and styrene. Your painting WILL be different on every single one of those and you'll need to get that 'feel'. Even if you've used an airbrush many times, there will be a little adjustment curve.

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Test and practice? Fuck that. I expect to read this thread and paint like rel straight off the bat!
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Test and practice? Fuck that. I expect to read this thread and paint like rel straight off the bat!



I practice on a poor little 1/72 scale Corsair----I figured out my X15 paint scheme on it, I tried the Alclad on it along with washes and flat coats.

It weighs about 11 pounds now.....
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Old 12-30-2011, 06:45 PM
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Nope! It's a subtle thing and y'all missed it. Mine have been gone for 29 years. See, what happens is, your Wife takes any 'druthers' you have, yet still, somehow, keeps hers and actually adds yours TO hers. This gets done almost instantly when you get into a relationship. There are other things that y'all may have missed too because during the very early stages THEY take full advantage of YOU falling in love with them and you never saw these things happen. In some cases, even though a spouse is wired to take these little things from you, sometimes, we give them up willingly. It's really a shame and there IS no way around this. It won't do any good to even think about the things you lose either. There is absolutely no chance you will ever get them back.



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Well---just went and told the bitch I'd like my druthers back.

She told me to go fuck myself.


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It's really a shame and there IS no way around this. It won't do any good to even think about the things you lose either. There is absolutely no chance you will ever get them back.
And once again.......

I did try to explain that George.

All you can do now is go back and BEG her NOT to spread it around that you ever asked such a question. Your job now is damage control and preventing OUR Wives from finding out you brought the subject up.

See, this is exactly how bad things happen. I thought the wind blowing awhile ago made the lights flicker, but now it's clear.

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Test and practice? Fuck that. I expect to read this thread and paint like rel straight off the bat!
Now wait a minute Drew??? You can read this and go straight out and paint just like REL or anybody else's work you may admire. Same techniques. Same paints. Same brush strokes.....EVERYTHING. The results may vary, that's all.

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Oh my God---what was I THINKING!!!?????

Sorry fellas, it was both a moment of rage and weakness....
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Uh-huh.

Your weakness.

Her rage.

That is normal.

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Uh-huh.

Your weakness.

Her rage.

That is normal.

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Default Re: Switching to acrylics - HEEEEELP!!!!

Okay guys, I've airbrushed acrylic paints for the VERY first time - and I have to say I'm all kinds of impressed with how well they shot. I used Tamiya my first time out. I thinned it almost 50/50.

It was nice being able to shoot and clean the airbrush in the basement without having to worry about pesky shit like ventilation!

Tamiya thinner is expensive. However, it's just n-propyl alcohol with a little butyl mixed in. I have lots of that in my chem lab, and I also have the equipment that may be able to determine the proper ratio from a sample of Tamiya thinner. Or I could just start with the n-propyl and add butyl till it smells right!

Thank you, guys. I think you've got me started right.

I've printed out most of this thread for handy reference in my shop. Never fear though - I still have a great many questions!

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One thing I like about Tamiya is how tight it skins to the surface. Even when I think I've put it on too heavy, it just sucks right down and makes me look like I know what I'm doing.

"Course, ya gotta make sure all the seams are sanded out...
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Okay, let's say that the model has been properly primed and painted with acrylics.


What now?


What do I do to pop out the detail? Washes? Pastels? Dry-brushing?


Most of the model is about a Gunship Gray and the rest is an off white.
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Well, here's what I do----

If it has a lot of tight surface detail...panel lines, molded in detail like ladders, hatches, doors, etc. I'd gloss clear coat it and let her set up for a day and do an oil wash. A darker contrast color, possibly Payne's Gray out of the tube and thin it waaaaay down with mineral spirits on a small bowl.

I pour a small amount of spirits into a very shallow bowl, put a blob of the paint next to it and draw small amounts of the paint into the thinner and mix until I have a very watery opaque color. Then I take a very fine brush---I think I use a 10/0 (I'm at work)--- and load the brush with the pigment. For a panel line, I'd lightly touch the brush to the seam and let capillary action do the work sucking down into the panel. It's all about control here, so it's time consuming. And some call it a pin wash.

The same would apply around hatches, ladders----no reaon to be ham-fisted, just a very light touch. Obviously, you're gonna get wash where you don't want it, but that's OK----you can go back later and clean up the excess with a Q-tip soaked in thinner. Once you're happy with the results, then go ahead and Acryl flat coat.

Did I mention you could do all three?

Once it's flat coated and dry, I usually go after it with pastels. I use Tamiya or Mig Pigments, but I prefer Tamiya. It offers a huge amount of control with almost no mess. I have all 5 sets and it gives me every contrasting tone I can think of.(so far) The way I got comfortable with the stuff is that I think back to drafting classes in school when I used to do a rendering of a house and I was required to use shading with the old No#2 pencil (no compooper) to give it dimension. I'll pick a color that's similiar to painted color and go after panels. Very lightly at first, but if you do too much you can always "buff it down" with tissue. It's very hard to describe for me----as the first time I played with it I "got it". Another thing I got good at was water marks/stains on vertical surfaces. Pick a lighter color pastel than your base color, and ever so lightly draw down from top to bottom go lighter the further down you go. Works great for rust stains too.

I think you will too! The beauty of this stuff is if you don't like the outcome, remove it with water.

I'm sure there are other folks that have a lot to add to what I've posted, hopefully with some shortcuts....
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