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Old 09-23-2008, 12:29 PM
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Default 1/350 USS North Carolina - a happy mistake

I love 1/700 ships. I enjoy putting 'em together and doing a semi-decent job on them.

1/350 is different to me. When I do a 1/350, she has to be done as right as I can... which means PE. The right PE treatment for the big ships can be quite expensive, and that's why I don't do many of them.

I'm getting a 1/700 North Carolina from The Duck. I'm getting excited about it - I've read all the reviews I can on the 'net, been checking my paint locker to see what all I need, etc.

This past Friday evening, I thought I'd get my 1/350 North Carolina out and play around with it. I bought her a year or so ago, messed around, stuck the hull together.... and decided that she'd have to wait on the PE treatment.

In addition to being a model of a battleship, it's a model of a Vacation Spot. Every time my wife and I go to Myrtle Beach, a trip to Wilmington is always on the itinerary. Not only that, but when I quit smoking, my last cigarette was smoked on The Showboat's bow, at a 20mm mount. Also, the ship was visited when my wife and I were on out honeymoon. (I have an exceptionally cool wife.)

So, it's a special ship, and it'll need the full treatment!

I figured, what'd be the harm of putting her funnels together?

What about some of the superstructure parts?

Oh SNAP! WHAT HAVE I DONE?!?

To be continued...
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Old 09-23-2008, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: 1/350 USS North Carolina - a happy mistake

Hey Cat!

Check out a company called LION ROAR.

You want to give her "the full treatment",they'll give you details on a
microscopic level.Pricey,but I think you'll find their detail sets rock!
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Old 09-23-2008, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: 1/350 USS North Carolina - a happy mistake

I have to agree totally... in fact, a colleague here on RI (Hint! Hint!) just ordered a Lion Roar set for his. It's pretty much a one-stop shop!

Problem is, my Showboat's waterline. If I got that set with those pretty brass screws, I wouldn't have the heart to let them go to waste... and I'd have to do another NC build and..... you get the picture Also, they don't include the screen that goes over the hawsepipe.*

Other options were:

Gold Medal Models. I ruled them out because no floater net baskets** and no 'NORTH CAROLINA' for the stern.

White Ensign - They're out because you have to buy a set of 40mm and 20mm PE to go with it. ***

Tom's Modelworks - I like Tom's stuff okay except he's not big on relief etching. I do like his floater net baskets better than anyone else's.**

So, that left Eduard. No metal barrels, BUT they give you a bunch of stuff you don't get in other sets. Also, I know from their Zero sets that they're not 'fiddly'.

I'm thinking that I'll use Yankee Modelworks replacement turrets.

1. They come with metal barrels
2. They have blast bags
3. They have detail on the base of the turrets that's missing here:



Pacific Front sells the LionRoar 5" barrels seperately, so I'll end up with those too. As a matter of fact, there a lot of other odds and ends there I might end up getting....... it's time to start raising funds! (My wife has unilaterally passed a law banning deficit spending.....)


I can't help m'self... she's going to be painted in the same camo that the real Showboat's wearing right now. Not only is it my favorite scheme, but my wife loves it. Spousal support is verrry important when it comes to fleet expenditures.



But one of the first things I'm gonna have to do is work on the ugly-assed kit bow... She needs the bull-nose rings, and those awful hawse holes have GOT to go..... Compare the pic of the real girl above with the kit below:

(These are pics of the stock kit with LionRoar additives)




* I have some sort of anchor fetish. The ones on the Buchanan are too small... the ones here are the right size but the holes are....off. Drives me batty.
** Why are all the baskets EMPTY??? Does NOBODY make the nets to go in the things???????
*** I absolutely hate it when companies do this....they either assume that you just happen to have spares, or worse, they do this intentionally so you'd have to buy another of their products?? That's why I'm definitely NOT going to buy Dragon's PE upgrade!
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Default Re: 1/350 USS North Carolina - a happy mistake

Don't worry Cat I haven't forgot....Real world got in the way for a couple days
You know I was also looking at the Yankee Modelworks turrets also...There is something about the kit ones that bugs me other than the detail you have pointed out...I can't figure it out but they bug me
But I am also on a money ban from my spouse so I have to chip away at the account ever so slightly so I don't get bitched at!
On mine I am pretty much building her as she came except for the addition of the Lion Roar PE set. Plus too I have decided on her late war camo
I'll post some pics later of what I have accomplished so far
I do have a customer build going on right now...I am trying to get it done so I can fully focus on the NC

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Old 09-24-2008, 01:03 PM
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There is something about the kit ones that bugs me other than the detail you have pointed out...I can't figure it out but they bug me


Tom
Exactly!!! I can't figure it out either! Right there with ya, bud!

I've come up with a shopping list for some other odds and ends. If you guys know anything about these products would you care to give me some feedback about 'em?

Voyager 5"/38 turrets (I was just going to get barrels for the kit turrets but for a few bucks more I can have replacement turrets?)

L'arsenal 40mm Quad gun tubs and ammo racks (Need good racks in the tubs!)

L'arsenal 20mm ammo lockers and gun tubs

L'arsenal bitts and chocks (You expect hourglasses but the kit gives you beer cans....)

L'arsenal SK-2 radars. They look some better than the Eduard. Haven't made my mind up about them yet.


What do you guys think?
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Default Re: 1/350 USS North Carolina - a happy mistake

Pics.

I had to do something about that hawsepipe.... unfortunately I had attached the deck loooong before I decided what to do.

I cut out the hole in the deck. On the real ship this area's very prominent so the kit needed some attention. Also note the little pimple that the kit has in place of the ring on the sides of the hull:



I cut out the front, non-planked section...



... and added pieces of plastic tubing. Most of this area isn't a precise fit....



...nor does it need to be. Most of the hole will be covered by the PE screens... but you need to see depth. You also need to be able to see the anchor chain going down and actually attaching to the anchor itself.



There won't be much visible from the sides when the anchor's in place...



Note the 'ring' on the outside of the hull, where the anchor sits:



I'm going to make that out of two layers of plastic tubing, turned in a lathe.

That seam in the deck is a <censored>. I'm open to suggestions....



Here are her main components:




I. Love. That. Ship!
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Default Re: 1/350 USS North Carolina - a happy mistake

That's quite a list there!!
I was also looking at the L'Arsenal gun tub racks...I was also thinking on their 40mm quads
I haven't had any personal experiences with them but the reviews I have read have all been good
Well I'm glad I am not the only on who thinks the kit turrets are "funky"
Oh yeah that seam is a ( fill in any appropriate word )!!
I ham fisted mine and lost some planking detail live and learn!

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Looking Good. Just thought I'd add this, the name of the ring the anchor chain goes thought is called a "hawse pipe lip". For what it's worth...
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Hey Cat,
Thats some more nice looking PE work dude,a pitty that tower needs reworking though.
Instead of scratchin a new one because this is too thin,can't you thicken up the back's of those corners with some bondo then shape?
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Hey Cat,
Thats some more nice looking PE work dude,a pitty that tower needs reworking though.
Instead of scratchin a new one because this is too thin,can't you thicken up the back's of those corners with some bondo then shape?
SORRY, Wombat! That's not my PE....that's from the LionRoar set! Shoulda labelled it!

I'll give the bondo a go and see how it works out Thankya!
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Hey Cat,
Thats some more nice looking PE work dude,a pitty that tower needs reworking though.
Instead of scratchin a new one because this is too thin,can't you thicken up the back's of those corners with some bondo then shape?
NOOOoooo. USE AVES!!! Its stronger and less likely to flake off while you're working on it.
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Damn nice work there Cat! Impressive stuff. Can't wait to see this finished up with the crew members on it.
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Default Re: 1/350 USS North Carolina - a happy mistake

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D'OH,i should have picked the substandard stuff there Cat!!!

Now remember i know nothing about good building but when we did our Interceptor roof spoilers we had ta fill them with bondo to be able to cut em back and get a better shape.
It might work and worth a go before scratchin a newbie?

Carry on dude!!!
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Now damn it Cat that is something I'm going to have to do now!!
I never really noticed it till you pointed it out!
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Now damn it Cat that is something I'm going to have to do now!!
I never really noticed it till you pointed it out!
Good news is, it's a pretty easy cure.

I used the kit's tower as a template and made a new one out of .125" plastic sheet. You'll need some extra strength when gluing the pieces together so make sure you sand the joints to give the CA something more of a bite.

Then just start carving and sanding. Here's where a good sanding block pays off!

The fun thing is that after you drill out the portholes, the PE set provides you with all the missing details.

There are a couple decks that circle the tower - I have a cure in mind for that and we'll be able to use the kit parts for it.





BTW - the 'flag boxes' on the back... none of the PE sets come with new ones and the kit parts look crappy, having a solid top and all. SOOO, slice them off and turn 'em upside down! Not 100% accurate but a damsight better than they were. Plus, we can add some scrap PE to them and make them look a little better
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